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absinthe_spoonsFunny how such a sub-par episode is getting two entries from me. It's just, I was over at the TWoP forums' discussion for this episode, and they had some interesting things to say that I wanted to pass on...
Dammit, I can't figure out how to quote something. They should have quote blocks on LJ. Or if they already do, they should shout at me so I know where they are.
Anywho, there were a number of points of interest that the clever individuals over at TWoP pointed out.
mandigirl: Nitpick of the night-- When each of them had a flashback to someone who died for the cause, I was surprised Linc's mind went to his father-- who he hated-- as opposed to Veronica??
A good point. The whole love/hate thing with their father has already been discussed, and I'm okay with them holding a grudge against Alex for it, but that was a really weird choice on the writers' (or whoever was responsible for it) part to have them remember their father with Alex standing RIGHT THERE. Man, awkward.
It was also brought up that perhaps Michael was being a dick for not saying anything to Alex about Cameron. (Hey, it wasn't me, I swear. I was absolutely thrilled at the degree of support Alex/William Fichtner gets over at TWoP. Some classy people over there.) According to Lillyland, "Michael reacted with all the emotion of a guy who was just told that someone accidentally ran over Mahone's cat and it was doubtful the little guy was gonna make it." Even Michael fans agreed, saying it was out of character for someone who was supposed to be all, y'know, "in tune with the suffering of others". (Yeah, MY ASS.) But I think "tpel" got it right:
Actually, I think this is absolutely in character for Michael. We were told by that psychiatrist in season 1 that he is super empathetic, but I think Mahone nailed Michael's attitude more precisely: if Michael cares about you, then he'll do anything for you, but if not . . . then not. Michael is very attuned to the suffering of his friends and family, and of true innocents like McGrady. But Michael has shown a consistent lack of sympathy for Mahone. Remember his string-Mahone-along-until-he-self-destructs plan?
That's a clear personality difference between Linc and Michael: Linc runs hot or cold -- there's no in between -- whereas Michael can be more neutral toward a person. Linc hated Mahone to the point that he would have killed him, and now he sympathizes with him and wants to help him. Michael never really wanted to kill Mahone, but he was fine with letting him die horribly. Now, I do think Michael has warmed up a bit toward Alex recently. But the change is more subtle than Linc's dramatic change of heart. So, I think it is OK that it takes him a little longer to express his condolences. And, of course, Cameron himself qualifies as a true innocent. Thus, I'm sure Michael feels bad about the little boy's death. The transition is with regard to feeling bad for Alex about Cameron's death.
... which essentially boils down to, if you're not Mike's total BFF/family member/father figure/GF/sad three-legged puppy, he's gonna be a dick to you, and there's no reason for the audience to expect more than that. Also, I think it's hilarious that Alex knows Mike better than Mike's shrink does.
Also, "friedangle" addressed the jarring MiSa light-hearted moments:
Throughout seasons 1 to 3 Michael and Sara always sounded like Michael and Sara, even in their most light-hearted moments. Now there’s a jarring transition between angst-ridden Michael and Sara and playful Wentworth and Sarah – I don’t know if it’s the writing or the acting but it takes me out of the story every single time.
Yes. THIS. Perfect, couldn't have said it better.
... then there was an amusing part where someone (in all seriousness) said "Mahone would lick your hand to get Cameron to safety," and pretty much all serious conversation stopped while everyone indulged in that little fantasy. It was hilarious. I am such a creepy lurker.
Also, I wanted to link this new promo: http://www.prisonbreakbuff.com/2008/09/17/prison-break-episode-405-safe-and-sound-sneak-peek-2/
... which is epic and awesome. Some fantastic Alex bits in there. It has quite a few blatant spoilers in it. It's not a normal promo. It plays like the previouslies to episode 4.06, which I actually think it might be. I do enjoy how quickly the Mahone plot-line is moving. I was worried they'd stretch it out too much. Good to see him get angry. For some reason, I love the sound of the gun cocking when Alex pulls the gun on that random guy. It doesn't really look like Mike's going to be talking to Alex about Cam anytime soon. He totally diffused Alex's emotional moment. "Yeah, whatever, son dead. An assassin is (still) trying to kill us! Oh noes!"
... Yeah, I don't care if it's in character. Mike's a dick.
Love Gretch ripping off the mouth-tape like a bad-ass motherfucker. That torture stuff was old before it even started. Hate Sara's gratuitous escalator shot. Srsly, what is with PB women and their cleavage these days? It's like they're tortured as often as possible and objectified the rest of the time. I'm indignant at this.
I was going to talk about the House premiere but... I dunno. It just doesn't inspire a lot of discussion out of me. I would be so totally pissed at Wilson right now, only I know it's all going to work out. See, House's characters are a little bit too safe. We know House and Wilson are going to stay friends, we know none of the main characters (and I don't count the new ducklings, but who cares about them, really?) are going to get fired or die anytime soon.
Dammit, I can't figure out how to quote something. They should have quote blocks on LJ. Or if they already do, they should shout at me so I know where they are.
Anywho, there were a number of points of interest that the clever individuals over at TWoP pointed out.
mandigirl: Nitpick of the night-- When each of them had a flashback to someone who died for the cause, I was surprised Linc's mind went to his father-- who he hated-- as opposed to Veronica??
A good point. The whole love/hate thing with their father has already been discussed, and I'm okay with them holding a grudge against Alex for it, but that was a really weird choice on the writers' (or whoever was responsible for it) part to have them remember their father with Alex standing RIGHT THERE. Man, awkward.
It was also brought up that perhaps Michael was being a dick for not saying anything to Alex about Cameron. (Hey, it wasn't me, I swear. I was absolutely thrilled at the degree of support Alex/William Fichtner gets over at TWoP. Some classy people over there.) According to Lillyland, "Michael reacted with all the emotion of a guy who was just told that someone accidentally ran over Mahone's cat and it was doubtful the little guy was gonna make it." Even Michael fans agreed, saying it was out of character for someone who was supposed to be all, y'know, "in tune with the suffering of others". (Yeah, MY ASS.) But I think "tpel" got it right:
Actually, I think this is absolutely in character for Michael. We were told by that psychiatrist in season 1 that he is super empathetic, but I think Mahone nailed Michael's attitude more precisely: if Michael cares about you, then he'll do anything for you, but if not . . . then not. Michael is very attuned to the suffering of his friends and family, and of true innocents like McGrady. But Michael has shown a consistent lack of sympathy for Mahone. Remember his string-Mahone-along-until-he-self-destructs plan?
That's a clear personality difference between Linc and Michael: Linc runs hot or cold -- there's no in between -- whereas Michael can be more neutral toward a person. Linc hated Mahone to the point that he would have killed him, and now he sympathizes with him and wants to help him. Michael never really wanted to kill Mahone, but he was fine with letting him die horribly. Now, I do think Michael has warmed up a bit toward Alex recently. But the change is more subtle than Linc's dramatic change of heart. So, I think it is OK that it takes him a little longer to express his condolences. And, of course, Cameron himself qualifies as a true innocent. Thus, I'm sure Michael feels bad about the little boy's death. The transition is with regard to feeling bad for Alex about Cameron's death.
... which essentially boils down to, if you're not Mike's total BFF/family member/father figure/GF/sad three-legged puppy, he's gonna be a dick to you, and there's no reason for the audience to expect more than that. Also, I think it's hilarious that Alex knows Mike better than Mike's shrink does.
Also, "friedangle" addressed the jarring MiSa light-hearted moments:
Throughout seasons 1 to 3 Michael and Sara always sounded like Michael and Sara, even in their most light-hearted moments. Now there’s a jarring transition between angst-ridden Michael and Sara and playful Wentworth and Sarah – I don’t know if it’s the writing or the acting but it takes me out of the story every single time.
Yes. THIS. Perfect, couldn't have said it better.
... then there was an amusing part where someone (in all seriousness) said "Mahone would lick your hand to get Cameron to safety," and pretty much all serious conversation stopped while everyone indulged in that little fantasy. It was hilarious. I am such a creepy lurker.
Also, I wanted to link this new promo: http://www.prisonbreakbuff.com/2008/09/17/prison-break-episode-405-safe-and-sound-sneak-peek-2/
... which is epic and awesome. Some fantastic Alex bits in there. It has quite a few blatant spoilers in it. It's not a normal promo. It plays like the previouslies to episode 4.06, which I actually think it might be. I do enjoy how quickly the Mahone plot-line is moving. I was worried they'd stretch it out too much. Good to see him get angry. For some reason, I love the sound of the gun cocking when Alex pulls the gun on that random guy. It doesn't really look like Mike's going to be talking to Alex about Cam anytime soon. He totally diffused Alex's emotional moment. "Yeah, whatever, son dead. An assassin is (still) trying to kill us! Oh noes!"
... Yeah, I don't care if it's in character. Mike's a dick.
Love Gretch ripping off the mouth-tape like a bad-ass motherfucker. That torture stuff was old before it even started. Hate Sara's gratuitous escalator shot. Srsly, what is with PB women and their cleavage these days? It's like they're tortured as often as possible and objectified the rest of the time. I'm indignant at this.
I was going to talk about the House premiere but... I dunno. It just doesn't inspire a lot of discussion out of me. I would be so totally pissed at Wilson right now, only I know it's all going to work out. See, House's characters are a little bit too safe. We know House and Wilson are going to stay friends, we know none of the main characters (and I don't count the new ducklings, but who cares about them, really?) are going to get fired or die anytime soon.
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Date: 2008-09-17 09:45 pm (UTC)I completely agree on all points, though. That is Michael to a T.
And I can't wait for Mahone to give Wyatt the ass-kicking of his life. That is going to be awesome to watch :D
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Date: 2008-09-18 04:09 pm (UTC)Season 2 Mahone gives me such... I dunno, shivers up and down my spine. Watching the scene with the gun was the first time I felt that since s2.
I worry that Wyatt's death will be too anticlimactic. I hear drowning is an awful way to die... but it's not graphic enough for me. Lol, I sound like such a sociopath.
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Date: 2008-09-19 03:19 am (UTC)Something I think is very important, however, is that Wyatt's death has to be in character for Alex (and he has to do it, no question). As good as he is at killing people, it's hard on him, and he usually favours simplicity and... I don't want to say physicality, because shooting someone isn't physical, but instinct. Something instinctive. Your scenarios, though simple in their imagery, are a bit convoluted for Alex's tastes, at least IMO.
I'm reminded of that scene in Invasion (watched it? WF's the only thing worth watching, but DAMN if he isn't worth it) when WF's character tackles someone in the shallows of the ocean and then holds his head under the water until he stops struggling. It was a great scene. I'm not suggesting they copy that, but it would definitely fit with what I'd like to see happen to Wyatt.
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Date: 2008-09-19 03:19 pm (UTC)Sorry, Invasion isn't exactly loved on YouTube. I actually searched for 'scene where Tom Underlay drowns Derek Invasion' on Google and the first result was from my journal. ^^ Sorry bout that.
You can't watch Invasion because you're too busy reading AU Civil War novels? ... Yeah, I can see how that would monopolize your time. It seems a little weird to me that your recreational time has no wiggle room.
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Date: 2008-09-19 05:55 pm (UTC)The episode is 1.06, "The Hunt". I don't know any place where you can download Invasion off the top of my head, but I'm sure you'll find something.
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Date: 2008-09-20 04:21 am (UTC)Oh yeah, I started a LibraryThing account once, but I soon figured it was a waste of time.
Thanks for the book recs.
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Date: 2008-09-18 04:46 am (UTC)Anyway. I'm thinking maybe I should friend you. What do you think?
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Date: 2008-09-18 04:04 pm (UTC)Obscure and neglected PB ships are awesome like candy. Linc/Jane omg YES. I really wish they could have had more Jane. I'm going to include her as one of the featured characters in the fic community I'm thinking of creating.
I support friending me 100%. Mind if I friend you back?
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Date: 2008-09-18 04:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-18 04:32 pm (UTC)I've poked around your journal and your timing really couldn't be better... Linc has just recently jumped up my list of favourite characters from last-ish to second fav. :P
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Date: 2008-09-18 04:50 pm (UTC)no subject
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